well I did a bit of Censure Communautariste towards the "fork mastodon to remove CWs and ActivityPub" and "Gargamel is a dictator who wants to kill OStatus" crowd.
@bob I think there are quite a few benefits that GNU Social could get by supporting AP. I hope there isn't too much "burn" by seeing it as a "Mastodon vs GNU Social" battle. I tried pretty hard to avoid that; @mmn and @deadsuperhero both at least can verify that I did try to get GNU Social and everyone else involved. I know that's not an obligation for GNU Social to adopt AP, not saying it is, just saying healing the "fractured federation" has always been a large reason for me working on AP.
However it isn't very weblike, and we haven't really seen attempts to build social networks on top of XMPP pan out in practice yet. Not sure why though, and maybe lack of web-likeness (or the disconnect between "should every user be an xmpp user or should the server be one big xmpp user" that seems to happen)
@Goffi @cwebber @mmn uh this was a little before my time so I might be off base here but my understanding is that "web like" in this context means "a protocol based around web standards, such as HTTP" and that it's not supposed to be a value judgement, just a way of scoping the focus of the Social Web Working Group.
@matrix @cwebber @mmn @nightpool matrix which has still a very dishonest and FUD spreading FAQ about XMPP, even after promising to change it for a while (https://framasphere.org/posts/1971909#80b90be02fc4013459472a0000053625 and https://framasphere.org/posts/1971909#44b08fd02fdc0134595b2a0000053625). It's a pity, it's the only project with this behavior.
also @matrix what the fuck. butting into a personal discussion using brand account? seriously, take that shit elsewhere.
i'm not a fan of XMPP myself but i'm much, much less of a fan of Brands™ trying to act like people.
@nightpool @matrix this was a case of a person (me) speaking with my matrix hat on, hence the account (as made clear in the account description); not some nefarious attempt to subvert a personal conversation. And honestly, not bothering to relogin on my personal account as I didn't think anyone would care. Not sure that counts as a Brand™ trying to act like a person. Anyway, no offense was intended.
@matthew to be clear, I wasn't projecting any nefarious intent, just saying that your action that came off as tone-deaf and rude.
@Goffi @matrix as per that diaspora thread, tweaking the faq (again) is on my todo and PRs are welcome, although it's not made it to the top of the list yet, especially as you are the only person I know who has complained. I somehow doubt we are the only project with outdated or inaccurate FAQ entries about alternative techs. And my only reason for butting into this thread was just to remind that we exist; not to instigate drama :|
@Goffi fwiw we just updated https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html#what-is-the-difference-between-matrix-and-xmpp (as per https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/commit/414ef70592a335356122052dd5952af5adbfde8e); hopefully feels less dishonest to you now. If not, please yell or comment on the commit or something.
Hi @matrix . I still think that most of the statements are wrongs (for instance with the first one, you can speak directly from a browser using BOSH or Websocket), but at least the formulation is less offensive now, thank you for the effort!
I'm really much in a cooperation spirit with FOSS projects, but it's discouraging when you have, in addition to work on your free time, to fight against wrong statements or approximations which are spreading. So I'm happy if this is changing :).